Episode 41
Ego Death, Young Life & Trying Not to Get Laid with Jack Hopkins
Jack Hopkins (aka Jack Hoppy) is a bartender, filmmaker, and musician from Columbus, Ohio. We talk about growing up small and non-athletic in the suburbs, learning about life from movies, getting love-bombed by a Christian youth group, successfully avoiding sex for most of high school, a mushroom trip that spiraled into months of nihilism and two suicide attempts, and the offhand comment from a stranger at 3 a.m. in a New York City pizza shop that pulled him out of it. Also: ketamine and a box of childhood action figures, why Columbus isn’t real, and why humping the Empire State Building is not okay.
Content warning: This episode includes extensive talk about sex and drugs, and quite a bit of swearing, so probably don't listen with your kids.
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Transcript
I'm so sick of the, what we're doing here in, I mean, I, I'm enjoying speaking.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:But I don't want to hear He literally dismisses the podcast as he speaks on one.
Speaker:So we've entered the, yeah.
Speaker:Uh, somebody that would like this shit.
Speaker:This is episode 41 of onefjef 41 is the number just past the
Speaker:ordeal across mystical traditions.
Speaker:40 is the sacred threshold, the flood, the desert, the fast,
Speaker:which makes 41 the first breath.
Speaker:On the other side, the I Ching's 41st Hexagram sun captures this perfectly
Speaker:voluntary sacrifice, giving something up as an act of trust rather than loss.
Speaker:In Pythagorean terms, the four and the one are intention structure versus
Speaker:the solitary will the person who has built something solid but hasn't yet
Speaker:made peace with being alone inside it.
Speaker:Hello my friends.
Speaker:Hello, once again.
Speaker:How about this?
Speaker:We're back on our regular schedule.
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Huh?
Speaker:Anybody?
Speaker:I'm proud of myself.
Speaker:I hope that you're proud of me too.
Speaker:I said once I am in Mexico City and settle down a bit, we will get back to
Speaker:a regular schedule for this podcast.
Speaker:And here we are.
Speaker:So go me, go me and is also promised I am releasing an interview
Speaker:this week and that interview.
Speaker:Is with Jack Hopkins.
Speaker:Jack Hopkins, also known as Jack Hoppy, is a filmmaker, writer,
Speaker:musician, and visual artist.
Speaker:He co-wrote and acted in the short film according to plan and
Speaker:releases self-produced music, including squalor and couch surfing.
Speaker:His visual art and broader work reflected DIY self-direct approach focused on
Speaker:experimentation and personal expression.
Speaker:I recorded this conversation almost a year ago before I even
Speaker:started making this podcast.
Speaker:I used a few clips of it in the first episode, but I didn't release the entire
Speaker:thing because as you'll hear, Jack and I got progressively more intoxicated as
Speaker:the interview progressed and we ended up recording for almost three hours,
Speaker:much of which was fairly incoherent.
Speaker:But I live in Mexico City now, and last week I went back and
Speaker:listened to what we'd recorded.
Speaker:And I discovered that it was actually more entertaining and less incoherent
Speaker:than I remembered, and I cut it down to an hour, which helped.
Speaker:I do need to include a disclaimer though.
Speaker:If this episode had a rating, it would be a solid R.
Speaker:There's quite a bit of swearing and talk about drugs and
Speaker:sex and so forth and so on.
Speaker:So probably don't listen with your kids or with yourself if you don't like
Speaker:listening to abject subject matter.
Speaker:Mom, you've been warned.
Speaker:I met Jack Hopkins a few years ago outside the Summit Music Hall in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker:The film group that we were both in was having a gathering, but there was a band
Speaker:playing so nobody could talk inside.
Speaker:So people just started going outside.
Speaker:I was just standing outside and they having a drink and, uh, this young
Speaker:interesting looking dude walks out of the bar and we just start talking.
Speaker:And yeah, there was just like a, an immediate connection with me and Jack.
Speaker:It's like we knew each other before.
Speaker:It's like we were just picking up a conversation.
Speaker:We'd started long ago and we've been friends ever since.
Speaker:Jack's about half my age.
Speaker:He's about 26 right now.
Speaker:I think.
Speaker:And he invited me to a party at his house, I don't know, six, seven months ago.
Speaker:And, uh, a lot of people at the party thought that I was Jack's dad,
Speaker:which I wasn't necessarily offended by, but I was also offended by
Speaker:anyway, now that I am in Mexico, I miss my friend Jack.
Speaker:I hope he comes to visit.
Speaker:And I hope you enjoy listening to this conversation with him as much
Speaker:as we clearly enjoyed having it.
Speaker:Thank you for listening.
Speaker:Thank you for being here.
Speaker:Here's Jack Hopkins criticizing the sturdiness of the table I had in my
Speaker:podcasting studio in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker:Dude, this table is fucking wobbly.
Speaker:It's not that bad.
Speaker:Okay, well we've got a guest and we're already complaining about the table.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Yeah, it's a beautiful table.
Speaker:So here we are, um, Jack, Jack Hopkins.
Speaker:They call me Hoppy.
Speaker:Actually Hoppy You don't call me Hoppy, but my friends call me Hoppy.
Speaker:No, I refuse to call you.
Speaker:Hoppy.
Speaker:You, you don't have to.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, how long have people been calling you?
Speaker:Hoppy?
Speaker:That's like four years.
Speaker:No, I didn't grow up with it.
Speaker:Um, Jack Hoppy.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Does your girlfriend call you Hoppy?
Speaker:No, she doesn't.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:She did originally.
Speaker:And I actually had to say, please don't that you can't, you can't have that.
Speaker:I don't like that.
Speaker:Yeah, no, it's not sexy.
Speaker:And then when she refers to me to other people, she's like,
Speaker:yeah, Hoppy's over there.
Speaker:I'm like, what are you, what are you doing, man?
Speaker:I don't like, you got any nicknames?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, it's me.
Speaker:Uh, Tweety?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:A big dick master.
Speaker:Huge dick.
Speaker:Big giant dick on the street.
Speaker:I've heard that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They're like, where's Big Dick at?
Speaker:I'm like, oh, Jef.
Speaker:He's over there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, no.
Speaker:No real nicknames to speak of.
Speaker:No, I remember having girlfriends back in the day and like one girlfriend,
Speaker:Laura, she wanted to like come up with nicknames for each other, and
Speaker:the one she came up for me was Bunny.
Speaker:And I was like, no, absolutely not.
Speaker:Similar to Hoppy.
Speaker:Yeah, no, bunny is a little too cute.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:No kidding.
Speaker:So we never came up with nicknames and then she cheated on me.
Speaker:Hey.
Speaker:Oh God.
Speaker:So that's a, yeah.
Speaker:Maybe if we came up with cheat, maybe we came up with nicknames, then maybe
Speaker:she wouldn't have cheated on me.
Speaker:If it was a good nickname, it would've been a green flag.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Although I don't know that they're being like Spike.
Speaker:Spike.
Speaker:I don't think I'm gonna be spike either.
Speaker:Or danger.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Something like that.
Speaker:So like growing up, what was, what was your, what was your life like?
Speaker:Tell me, like high school, what was your, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So I mean like, I liked sports.
Speaker:I've always liked sports, but the second that a grown man started to get mad at me.
Speaker:7-year-old for not doing it right.
Speaker:I immediately was like, no, I don't wanna do this anymore.
Speaker:Old people ruined sports.
Speaker:I mean, why did they care that much?
Speaker:Just let them play, just let them living vicariously through a 7-year-old.
Speaker:And at the time I thought it was weird and now I'm looking back on it and I
Speaker:still, I'm like, yeah, I was right.
Speaker:I was fucking right.
Speaker:It, it's worse now than it was then.
Speaker:Probably.
Speaker:It was weird.
Speaker:What sport was this?
Speaker:I tried 'em all.
Speaker:I tried 'em all.
Speaker:I liked baseball the most.
Speaker:Um, 'cause I have hand-eye coordination.
Speaker:I'm not athletic.
Speaker:I like to separate the two.
Speaker:I don't wanna run for longer than, you know, a couple minutes of
Speaker:time unless you're being chased.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't want to do that either, right?
Speaker:No, but I just, you know, I wasn't athletic and everybody else was athletic.
Speaker:It's Dublin, Ohio.
Speaker:It is a fucking green suburb.
Speaker:When I talk about it like this, I feel like a, yeah, the, the angsty, you know,
Speaker:like, I gotta get out of this town, man.
Speaker:They don't believe in me.
Speaker:You got outta that is how I, you got outta Dublin.
Speaker:That's how I felt though.
Speaker:And I remember my big brother was, um.
Speaker:You know, he was athletic effortlessly and he wouldn't study and he
Speaker:would get fucked up all the time.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And just get straight A's 36 on the a CT, whatever, doesn't care.
Speaker:I'll study and I'll study and I'll study and I'll still get a c
Speaker:plus, you know, even if I studied all night, it doesn't matter.
Speaker:No retention, I don't matter.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:80 a DDI don't know.
Speaker:And I would double guess myself, so I didn't, you know, grades would fail.
Speaker:I wasn't very good at sports.
Speaker:Um, I was tiny.
Speaker:I was tiny in a huge school.
Speaker:I was still like the third smallest kid in the class for a while there.
Speaker:I'm still small, but now I can blend in with a crowd a little more.
Speaker:I don't stand out or anything like that.
Speaker:Were you good at sports?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Oh no.
Speaker:I wasn't like, I liked them, but I just, I got nervous.
Speaker:I got really fucking nervous, you know?
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:But then I grew to a certain age where I was like, I don't have
Speaker:grades, I don't have sports.
Speaker:I'm tiny.
Speaker:I'm angsty.
Speaker:What do I do?
Speaker:How do, how do you get respect fast?
Speaker:I was like, well, I'm just gonna openly do drugs, you know?
Speaker:I'm gonna be like the stoner kid.
Speaker:Gotta find your identity.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:And I watched Dazed to Confuse when I was a freshman the summer before going
Speaker:into freshman year, and I was like.
Speaker:When I, when I meet stoners at my school, I'm kind of like, I want them to like me.
Speaker:I'm like, okay, let's just do that.
Speaker:Let's just put it all on the table.
Speaker:Like Slater from Yeah, but a little, they, they were more menacing.
Speaker:I was more Slater esque, the stoners at my school, you
Speaker:know, there's kinda like tough.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like they wanted to fight each other at like, it's interesting that
Speaker:you mentioned Dazed and Confused.
Speaker:'cause I feel like when I was in high school and junior high, I feel like I
Speaker:got a lot of my ideas about my identity from movies as opposed to like from a,
Speaker:uh, parental figure or an older adult.
Speaker:And I still think that that actually affects the way that I see the world
Speaker:in a way is like watching too many movies when I was a kid and you're
Speaker:preaching to the choir, right?
Speaker:I mean, whatever I thought was like a cool guy.
Speaker:I would try to be, okay, these guys in these movies get laid.
Speaker:I'm gonna try to act like that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Just if that's real life.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And yeah, no, it never worked.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Then you get older and you realize, what is that?
Speaker:Are those movies not true That's going on?
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And you realize that it's all bullshit and you're like, yeah.
Speaker:Um, yeah, and I was really pissed about that.
Speaker:I was insecure as fuck, man.
Speaker:Oh, me too.
Speaker:Acne is acne everywhere.
Speaker:Yeah, me too.
Speaker:Uh, braces.
Speaker:I actually had braces from freshman year till senior year.
Speaker:Me too.
Speaker:Not that period of time, but yeah.
Speaker:Three years, two years.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I remember they wanted to keep it ongoing into college and
Speaker:I fucking orthodontist, man.
Speaker:They wanna ring you dry.
Speaker:It was the fucking worst student.
Speaker:Uh, and once I caught on.
Speaker:And they were like, yeah, you're still off by a couple millimeters.
Speaker:Um, we recommend keeping it on.
Speaker:And I was 18 at the time.
Speaker:I was like, take 'em off.
Speaker:Well, that's the game, right?
Speaker:I'm like, I know you can, I know that I can say this now.
Speaker:You, you gotta take 'em off my face now.
Speaker:And they like looked at my mom and my mom was just shrugged.
Speaker:She's like, yeah, you heard the band.
Speaker:I was such a nerd in middle school that like the nerdy kid.
Speaker:This kid Owen Priest never forget.
Speaker:He slammed my head into a locker.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Like the nerdiest kid be above me, fucking hurt me.
Speaker:Well, nerdier became weird because he was both, he was like the other outcast.
Speaker:He was like, as a weird kid, will slam anyone, was like two outcasts, you know?
Speaker:But a nerd vying for power or something Fucking awful.
Speaker:Only one of us.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:One weird middle school was the worst.
Speaker:That's when kids learn how to be assholes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I I was bulleted in middle school.
Speaker:That was the toughest one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was awful.
Speaker:High school was fine.
Speaker:High school got better for sure.
Speaker:I, I had fun in high school, to be completely honest with you.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But middle school, yeah.
Speaker:No, I had a lot of trouble.
Speaker:What did you do in high school?
Speaker:Sports still, or No?
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:That was when I went full stoner mode.
Speaker:Uh, freshman year was funny.
Speaker:Um, this transitionary period where I, it didn't, I didn't
Speaker:know and I didn't really care.
Speaker:What was it?
Speaker:It was Young Life, which is Oh, I know what that is.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's a youth group going on and, um, really prevalent at my school specifically
Speaker:with the seniors, with that class.
Speaker:Um, and you know, these seniors come to the freshmen and they're like,
Speaker:Hey, you wanna hang out after school?
Speaker:Like on a weekend night?
Speaker:Love, love, love bomb, love bomb.
Speaker:You can, you know, ride in my car.
Speaker:I was like, this is like days confused, which, right.
Speaker:The exact opposite.
Speaker:So, you know, we go to this basement, which sounds weird, but there were
Speaker:like, you know, 50 people in the basement, but they're Christians.
Speaker:We were just dancing around.
Speaker:It was a lot of fun.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, no drinking.
Speaker:Um, I, I was, I don't know, I was naive.
Speaker:I was like, didn't, didn't catch on to maybe that they were tell Right.
Speaker:I kind of knew.
Speaker:That they were, I knew that it was Christian based, but then you're
Speaker:dancing and dancing and dancing.
Speaker:At the end of the end they're like, all right now.
Speaker:Now we pray.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Gotta go.
Speaker:But they did get me and I felt kind of cool for hanging out.
Speaker:That's how they get you.
Speaker:They love bomb you.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh man.
Speaker:It was weird.
Speaker:They would take, I actually went to, um, young Life Camp.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You know, it's like three days in the woods in Saranac, New York.
Speaker:Your parents probably liked it.
Speaker:They're not Christian.
Speaker:They were just kind of like, okay, sure.
Speaker:You're hanging out with good, good, wholesome people.
Speaker:Good wholesome.
Speaker:Ah.
Speaker:They always trusted me.
Speaker:I think they were just kind of confused.
Speaker:They're like, okay, sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If you're finding God that's not sure, go for it.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Um, no, I just wanted to go 'cause everyone I knew was all
Speaker:the freshmen got kind of roped in.
Speaker:Mm. Um, and my girlfriend at the time.
Speaker:Was going and everything.
Speaker:And I was like, all right.
Speaker:Fuck it.
Speaker:I was an atheist at the time.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Um, my friends knew, my girlfriend knew, and it's, I'm agnostic now.
Speaker:I don't really give a fuck.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:But at the time I was, you know, pseudo intellectual.
Speaker:I was like, there's no God like I knew.
Speaker:And, um, but I would ke I would keep it se a secret from the
Speaker:actual young life, like seniors.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:'cause they're not gonna let you in if you don't.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:At least pretend.
Speaker:Well, they did find out when I was there.
Speaker:And they made it a, how did they find out?
Speaker:Oh, people told them.
Speaker:I don't know where it's at.
Speaker:Oh, you spoke a lot about how you didn't believe in God.
Speaker:To my friends.
Speaker:And my friends, I'm sure told 'em this whole God thing's
Speaker:bullshit, by the way, you guys.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:And they, they had these weird games, competition, secret competitions.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I could see that.
Speaker:To see who can convert the stoner kid.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:And they would take me deep in the woods one at a time.
Speaker:And to, to Eno.
Speaker:You know, hammock.
Speaker:And they would give their, this is my personal Bible, I wanna give it to you.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Like if they could come outta that woods with that win.
Speaker:They would get so many brownie points with, with, with good old jc,
Speaker:um, if only they just had a naked woman that you could fuck out there.
Speaker:They'd be like, that's how you get 'em in.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Right, right.
Speaker:But that's premarital.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But you just don't have to talk about it.
Speaker:You're right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, if it, yeah, it would be the priest diddling me, actually.
Speaker:You know, that's how that, you know what Mormons do?
Speaker:Mormons can't have sex when they get married, so they'll
Speaker:do a thing, I forget the name.
Speaker:Soaking.
Speaker:Soaking, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's fucking crazy.
Speaker:Where they just put their dick near the vagina, have somebody No, they put it in.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I couldn't figure it out where they actually put it in.
Speaker:'cause it said there's not penetration.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:Like when I looked it up online, it said there wasn't penetration.
Speaker:So it seemed like maybe there's rubbing, I don't know.
Speaker:It could be either way.
Speaker:But then you have a friend involved under the bed.
Speaker:Maybe it's the, the thrust that maybe it's just the tip is the, if you thrust,
Speaker:then it's considered penetration, maybe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, what a weird religion that is.
Speaker:But, um, just the tip.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:'cause the, the Mormon God is so dumb that it can't tell the difference
Speaker:between soaking and actual sex Mormonism.
Speaker:Mr. Fuck.
Speaker:That is disrespectful to the Mormon, God.
Speaker:The Mormon underwear.
Speaker:You're good.
Speaker:What's his name?
Speaker:John Smith.
Speaker:And they're from Lake Ohio too.
Speaker:They came, they, they were up in Ohio until they, they, when
Speaker:they were, it was under the big thing was near northern Ohio.
Speaker:Northwestern Ohio.
Speaker:Northeastern Ohio.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I forget the city.
Speaker:But they were living there.
Speaker:Then they got kicked out there and they kept moving and then they finally
Speaker:got to Utah and they were like, all right, where we're gonna settle?
Speaker:Well, they're gonna let us have all our wives here and shit.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Our 20 wives, I mean, the wives thing probably worked out for the fellas.
Speaker:Definitely For the women, not so much.
Speaker:They think it worked out for them though.
Speaker:They're, you know.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:Got, they get brainwashed like hard, like all the fucking way.
Speaker:So, uh, stoner crowd in How old were you when you got laid for the first time?
Speaker:I was 21.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I had plenty of opportunities.
Speaker:Um, I'm sure you did.
Speaker:I was just fucker.
Speaker:Yeah, that's, look at this face.
Speaker:Come on.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I could, I could have fucked as many tricks as I wanted.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:I was in bed and I would be naked and I was, I would just
Speaker:lie because I was just so scared.
Speaker:Oh, it's terrified.
Speaker:Or I'd had my underwear on and they'd be, be like, what?
Speaker:I would just come up with something every time.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:The first, like, this happened like five times, you know, or like, yeah.
Speaker:You know, um, you know, I'd be like, oh, my, my best friend
Speaker:is actually in love with you.
Speaker:I can't go through the, with this.
Speaker:Or, oh, I. I'm, so, I remember in high school I actually said, I'm
Speaker:just too, I'm just so tortured.
Speaker:I'm too tortured.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And she, it didn't make any sense to me or her.
Speaker:She was like, right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But it worked.
Speaker:You didn't get laid
Speaker:score right?
Speaker:I did it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's the movie you should write.
Speaker:That's the movie you should write.
Speaker:Trying not to get laid.
Speaker:Trying not to get laid.
Speaker:That's actually what, that's a title right there.
Speaker:It was really fucking hard.
Speaker:Trying not to get laid, man.
Speaker:God damn.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What a nightmare for you.
Speaker:I, yeah.
Speaker:Sorry you had to go through that.
Speaker:No, my first experience, I, yeah, I just lied.
Speaker:I was like, oh yeah, I fucked.
Speaker:What were you concerned about?
Speaker:Uh, not being good at it, I think was the big one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Or like, not either, you know, coming too fast or, or not even being hard at all.
Speaker:Definitely.
Speaker:Um, which was the case when I first got laid, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker:Huh.
Speaker:And then I was so pissed at myself.
Speaker:I was like, you horny little bastard.
Speaker:You're finally doing it.
Speaker:You can't even get hard.
Speaker:So then you, you graduate high school incredibly and incredibly.
Speaker:What's your relationship with your, what's your relationship with your parents?
Speaker:Like?
Speaker:Me and my mom have always been very close.
Speaker:Mm. My dad and I, you know, we're, we're buddies, fathers, and sons is tricky.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We're buddies, you know, he's pretty much like, I don't know,
Speaker:he reminds me of Adam Sandler.
Speaker:Like, he's just like, you know, he can't be serious.
Speaker:It's very, very difficult for him to be serious.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, you know, when Yeah.
Speaker:When you can't ever be serious, you can't ever be vulnerable.
Speaker:And so when you can't ever be vulnerable, you can't ever form
Speaker:that strong a relationship.
Speaker:So I do dig.
Speaker:You know, I poke and prod at him when you know, sometimes and be
Speaker:like, what happened here when I, you know, talk, trying to figure
Speaker:out what was happening to his child.
Speaker:He had a crazy fucking childhood man.
Speaker:Vulnerability is tough for Midwesterners and particularly like older.
Speaker:He's from Jersey.
Speaker:Oh, interesting.
Speaker:Yeah, they're usually blunt.
Speaker:They usually are pretty frank.
Speaker:Well, that's the stereotype.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But he is all about like good vibe.
Speaker:Like he, you know, he's a Jimmy Buffet guy.
Speaker:Like, you know, he grew up on the beach.
Speaker:Um, so like, he literally listens to Jimmy Buffet.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And he How do you feel?
Speaker:You like Jimmy Buffet?
Speaker:I do because of him.
Speaker:Which one?
Speaker:Which songs?
Speaker:Um, we like, uh, trying to Reason with Hurricane Season, I didn't that one.
Speaker:Like, things like that.
Speaker:Everything rhymes in the Jimmy Buffet song's Gotta rhyme.
Speaker:Yeah, I do.
Speaker:I don't, I don't like, I don't like the hits.
Speaker:I don't like changes in attitude.
Speaker:Changes in latitudes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, you know a couple.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:It's fun.
Speaker:It's, it's dumb.
Speaker:No, but the, the instruments in Jimmy Buffet Margaritaville's a great song.
Speaker:It is.
Speaker:I can't hear it anymore though.
Speaker:Growing up with it.
Speaker:You know, some people say that there's a woman to blame, but they're right.
Speaker:It's all their fault.
Speaker:Wait, but there's a very, that's a lie.
Speaker:As the story goes on, he pr he, he, uh, uh, progresses as a human.
Speaker:At the end he says, it's actually my fault.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:See, Jimmy, oh, didn't, I never thought about, I never looked into it.
Speaker:Pay attention to these.
Speaker:Well, it's a deep, beautiful, deep Jimmy Buffett league.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I went to the last Jimmy Buffett show in Cincinnati, and that is
Speaker:where it's the biggest fan base.
Speaker:That's where they coin the term parrothead.
Speaker:No shit.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Bigger than Key West.
Speaker:I wonder why that is.
Speaker:It's 'cause nobody wants to be in ci.
Speaker:Nobody wants to be, you know, when you're in Ohio, you listen to,
Speaker:wants to be in a lot of places.
Speaker:But, yeah.
Speaker:Well, since you know, when you're in Ohio, you, you.
Speaker:It's about island escapism.
Speaker:It's not about Right.
Speaker:You know, you're daydreaming, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Columbus has sports though, so that's how they, that's their, Jimmy
Speaker:Buffett is, Columbus has got sports.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm not gonna miss that, to be honest with you.
Speaker:No's favorite thing about the city is this, uh, cult of sports.
Speaker:It's most people's favorite.
Speaker:It's most people's favorite.
Speaker:I'm a fucking, we're a couple of snobs and, you know, I, I,
Speaker:you know, more power to him.
Speaker:I was at a, um, I was watching the, the championship game with my cousin.
Speaker:My cousin loves sports and we were watching the, the
Speaker:Ohio State Championship game.
Speaker:It was with him and his kids, but there was some friend of his that I'd never
Speaker:met, and he was really, he was that guy who was really into Ohio State,
Speaker:and I'm just kind of watching it.
Speaker:Do you like to say, let's go a lot.
Speaker:Let's go.
Speaker:I don't know if he said that, but So we're watching it.
Speaker:I'm kind of like.
Speaker:I'm watching a sporting event as I watch sporting events.
Speaker:I don't really like, I enjoy watching sports sometimes, but it's
Speaker:like, I don't take it seriously.
Speaker:I want an entertaining game.
Speaker:If I'm gonna watch it, I want an exciting back and forth or whatever.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so this game start, the game starts a lot of pausing and Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:The game starts getting close and I'm like, oh, at least it's exciting.
Speaker:And this guy's have, he's like, we don't want it to be
Speaker:close, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:And at the, yeah, like he was getting mad.
Speaker:He was getting, he, he, if that, if they'd lost, he may have like
Speaker:killed himself or started crying.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And I think he did cry actually when they won.
Speaker:Okay, so college, I can understand you're representing your school, but
Speaker:to NFLI will never understand that.
Speaker:That's just companies buying people.
Speaker:It's what do we, well, it's just professional sports.
Speaker:You're not any different than baseball or basketball.
Speaker:It's the same fucking thing.
Speaker:Yeah, no, you're allegiance to a company basically.
Speaker:'cause they're trading you based on stats and Sure.
Speaker:It's all arbitrary.
Speaker:You know who root for Yeah.
Speaker:I'm not arguing that.
Speaker:Although as a clevelander like growing up watching the Cleveland Browns, I,
Speaker:I do have a, an affinity for them.
Speaker:I if, if anything I, I would root for the Cleveland Browns just for underdog's sake.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's, you know, that's what being from a Cleveland is all about.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that I can get behind.
Speaker:Yeah, they did well, you know, a few years back and Yeah, I'll watch it.
Speaker:I was actually excited.
Speaker:Watch, if they do well, I, if they do well, I'll start watching towards the end.
Speaker:That's who, that's the, that's the kind of sports fan I am.
Speaker:Is if the team's doing well at the end of the season bandwagon, then I pay.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, like the Indians last year, the guardians were there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well it, it also takes a lot of homework and like daily homework.
Speaker:I, I call homework 'cause I don't give a fuck.
Speaker:Don't do any, I don't do any homework.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:I just mean like, people that are into sports, you know, you the
Speaker:way to, for people to connect, especially in my family for sure.
Speaker:Um, that they bring on the names and the stats and, and oh yeah,
Speaker:that, but you, you gotta, you gotta keep up with that shit constantly.
Speaker:He just listening to the sports radio all the time.
Speaker:I think it was Noam Chomsky who said like, if he was listening, he was like
Speaker:driving somewhere and he was listening to random radio stations and he got on
Speaker:one of these sports radio stations and he is listening to these people, like
Speaker:analyze sports to this insane degree.
Speaker:And he's like.
Speaker:If people analyze the way the world and the government works on the level that
Speaker:they analyze sports every day mm-hmm.
Speaker:Then we'd actually have in a different civilization right now.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Politics has turned into sports teams, you know, it's turned into reality tv.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, sports, it's like you, it's like they see it as my team versus your team.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Shades of gray, red versus blue.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then they treat, um, they treat sports like politics.
Speaker:You know, they're, they see the complexities of it all and, um, yeah.
Speaker:It's productive in a certain way.
Speaker:You know, you can talk to someone without killing them.
Speaker:Politics the first, if you start talking politics with someone that
Speaker:has a little bit of a, a deviated opinion from what you believe.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's war.
Speaker:It depends on the person until you both decide at a certain point,
Speaker:let's stop talking about this because you're not gonna win anyone over
Speaker:unless they're a true on the fencer.
Speaker:Which is really unfortunate because that's not the way that it's meant to be.
Speaker:Like we're meant to be able to have opinions.
Speaker:Course that would change based on new information.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it's unfortunate everybody's so locked into their mm-hmm.
Speaker:Like that's the problem with the world right now.
Speaker:Aside from, you know, everything.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Many problems with the world, but that's a big one.
Speaker:Just that we can't even, we're, we're so closed off to any other belief
Speaker:that we can't even see each other.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:How old were you when Trump first got elected?
Speaker:Well, gimme the year.
Speaker:Uh, it was 2016.
Speaker:2016. I was 17.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:That's crazy to think that like.
Speaker:When I was growing up, when I was your age, I like politics
Speaker:was, I think it was George Bush.
Speaker:And certainly there was rage at politics and so forth, but it wasn't
Speaker:like this horrible behemoth that was anyway, slowly enveloping and, and,
Speaker:and the 24 hour news hadn't happened yet, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But now you've basically grown up under like, well, I guess Obama.
Speaker:Obama was quote unquote good.
Speaker:And then you had, you've got Trump for 12 years.
Speaker:Ain't nobody was good.
Speaker:Ain't nobody, that's Jimmy Carter dramatically correct.
Speaker:Jimmy.
Speaker:Jimmy Carter was one.
Speaker:Jimmy Carter was actually a good, good president and a good
Speaker:man after he was president.
Speaker:After he was president, he was a peanut farmer from Georgia.
Speaker:After he was president, he spent the rest of his life like working for
Speaker:Habitat for Humanity and building houses.
Speaker:He'd be out there 80 years old.
Speaker:Fucking nah.
Speaker:We can find dirt.
Speaker:We could find some dirt, no doubt.
Speaker:Oh, I'm sure there's dirt somewhere.
Speaker:I'm not talking about a little.
Speaker:Obama's got a Netflix deal for Christ's sake.
Speaker:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker:I'm not talking about a little bit of dirt.
Speaker:I'm talking about that dude.
Speaker:Definitely funded genocides like everybody else.
Speaker:I'm saying relatively, yeah.
Speaker:Compared, and I think he think was comparison to, I mean, for
Speaker:the last 40 years, 50 years of his life, he literally gave it giving
Speaker:back to the like he was publicly.
Speaker:Publicly.
Speaker:Sure, I'll take it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No better than Obama.
Speaker:Right now he's just working for Netflix.
Speaker:I can't ever give props to a politician, especially the big man.
Speaker:That's fair.
Speaker:Yeah, it just doesn't feel right.
Speaker:There's stuff we just don't know and we never will, and it's just like how
Speaker:many fucking innocent people does?
Speaker:He are dead because of him.
Speaker:Yeah, because of every president.
Speaker:It happens.
Speaker:So how'd you start the film stuff?
Speaker:Do you remember the first film you ever watched?
Speaker:No, no, I remember What's an early film that you saw that was like,
Speaker:like a lot of, a lot of animation.
Speaker:A lot of animation.
Speaker:There's this movie called The Rescuer Down Under, which is, um,
Speaker:you know, mice, it's, it's like mice.
Speaker:It's an underrated, underappreciated m Yes.
Speaker:Incredibly underrated dude.
Speaker:When you talk about classic Disney animated movies, ain't
Speaker:nobody ever gonna mention this movie in 1 million fucking years.
Speaker:No, you're right, you're right.
Speaker:Um, and then I think first grade, I, I had this, my best friend,
Speaker:Cameron, I would go to his house and I would use his family video camera.
Speaker:We would make, I was addicted to it so much that he got.
Speaker:He just hated me.
Speaker:He was like, you just want the camera?
Speaker:I'm like, yeah, maybe I like YouTube though.
Speaker:And then I forgot about it for a bit, you know, I still loved movies always,
Speaker:but I was a writer, you know, I wanted to write books and short stories.
Speaker:So I did.
Speaker:And then seventh grade I was 12, 11, or 12.
Speaker:Um, biography week or month, you know, you pick a biography.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You read it, you do report on it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It was between Bob Marley and, um, yeah, I love Bob Marley and, uh, Spielberg.
Speaker:I picked Spielberg 'cause that was what was available and I was
Speaker:like, I said it out loud too.
Speaker:I was like, this is what I want to do.
Speaker:And it has not.
Speaker:No doubt.
Speaker:There's no, there was no doubt in my mind like, this is exactly what I want
Speaker:to do, and I just has not changed.
Speaker:So, did you like Spielberg at the time?
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:What's your, what's your, what's your favorite?
Speaker:Spielberg.
Speaker:I had an ET poster.
Speaker:I had ael.
Speaker:That was, I was a big fan of ET that was growing up.
Speaker:ET now had a soundtrack on 45.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It changes for me.
Speaker:Loved Temple of Doom.
Speaker:Um, as ridiculous as it is, just like, not, not Raiders.
Speaker:Not Raiders to the law story.
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:I was a fucking kid, man.
Speaker:I wanted like balls to a wall, Andy.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I wanted the most outrageous.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:His movies are outrageous.
Speaker:The Gremlins.
Speaker:There's some good ones in there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The Gremlins is under, there's some bad ones, but there's some good ones, Jay.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:He, I miss it 'cause he, nah, he's a master.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But nowadays he, I haven't even touched his historical objects.
Speaker:I mean, jaws on its own is just an incredible Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Oh, uh, that's number one.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That is the number one.
Speaker:I said that in the theater like three, four years ago.
Speaker:And it was an ama, like, there's so many things about the movie that are so smart.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So fucking good.
Speaker:The thing he figured out was like, I'll have the camera on a character
Speaker:and something's happening off screen.
Speaker:They'll, they'll hear a sound and they'll look.
Speaker:And he doesn't show you what they're looking at for a few seconds.
Speaker:Does he pan over after Right.
Speaker:Or whatever he cuts to it or whatever.
Speaker:But he just builds the tension by just showing the person reacting to the thing
Speaker:that you don't even know what it is yet.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, I'm actually doing that in the short film that I'm, that exact thing in the
Speaker:short film that we're doing right now.
Speaker:That by this point, once this is released, it'll be in Tribeca
Speaker:and be made into a feature film.
Speaker:I believe that's true.
Speaker:I'll be, I'll have the funding by then.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There'll be a $10 million, uh, a 24 I believe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, we're gonna get, um, Daniel Day out of retirement for sure.
Speaker:You should, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:To play a, a 21-year-old.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Did you see my left foot?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I should.
Speaker:It doesn't really work with the microphones.
Speaker:Shouldn't laugh.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just to describe what Jef is doing here.
Speaker:He, he did a, a crude imitation of a disabled man.
Speaker:No, it was, it literally the guy in my left foot.
Speaker:It's Daniel Day Lewis playing.
Speaker:Oh, I, I got some fucked up.
Speaker:Uh, Laura on my left foot.
Speaker:Mm. You know how it ends on like a very sweet note, like, oh, he found a woman
Speaker:that loves him and like there's some hope.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:Vaguely.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:She abused the fuck out of him whole life.
Speaker:Oh, the real, my left foot guy.
Speaker:Whole life.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Ow.
Speaker:She abused the hell out of him.
Speaker:Well, it might've even led to his death.
Speaker:Let's make point.
Speaker:Make the sequel.
Speaker:Let's make the sequel.
Speaker:What do Oh yeah, just my left foot part two.
Speaker:The darker years.
Speaker:My right foot.
Speaker:Right, right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He starts feeling his right foot.
Speaker:Because she, yeah, she, she beat him.
Speaker:Definitely.
Speaker:I wonder if Steven Hawkings, like, doesn't he, wasn't he married or something?
Speaker:Deon or his wife?
Speaker:Fucking like, I don't know.
Speaker:I've seen the family guy clip where they're, they're both disabled and
Speaker:having like wheelchair sex in bed and she's like typing in hormones.
Speaker:I don't, I don't know.
Speaker:Funny.
Speaker:That's funny.
Speaker:As far as I know about his.
Speaker:Pretty funny.
Speaker:That's pretty funny though.
Speaker:Funny.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:He had a girl when he didn't have the disability, right?
Speaker:We all saw the movie.
Speaker:I didn't.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:I just know about it.
Speaker:Oh, right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You're just, you're just a fan of.
Speaker:Stephen Hawking.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And yeah, just know the Stephen Hawking lore.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I tried reading some of his books just to like, feel smart.
Speaker:I read the one, it didn't make me feel smart.
Speaker:It was just more confusing.
Speaker:I love the first like, quarter of that like Carl Young type book.
Speaker:'cause it's, it's one that you're like, oh my God, I'm
Speaker:understanding what they're saying.
Speaker:And then they're like, there's a drop off point where they're like,
Speaker:okay, now that we've explained all of the, uh, like beginner, like dumb
Speaker:ass shit, let's just start talking.
Speaker:You just, let's get in.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then I'm like, oh, I have no idea what they're saying now.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:This, my brain just, I think like some physicists and stuff, I think
Speaker:their brain just works differently.
Speaker:But like, I, I want to understand that, like, oh yeah, of course.
Speaker:How you can explain the universe with math.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Like what, what's that?
Speaker:How do you, you like, you can explain how the universe acts.
Speaker:Why gravity?
Speaker:Because of an equation.
Speaker:I don't get that at all.
Speaker:So like, our brains like.
Speaker:And my theory is that our brains, like intentionally, like we were, we were
Speaker:wired to, for our brains to intentionally like short circuit when we start to
Speaker:conceptualize how large the universe might be because it just wouldn't work.
Speaker:It's not that we can't do it, it's that it's not healthy for us.
Speaker:But not everybody's does though.
Speaker:Like there's clearly people who are able to comprehend
Speaker:this level of They bypassed it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they're fucked.
Speaker:You think that?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They have, they have a lack of empathy to a certain degree.
Speaker:They've transcended a certain part of the human condition, but maybe they
Speaker:know something that we don't like.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But I think I would rather stay in my lane and keep my empathy than understand
Speaker:like, you know, big picture people.
Speaker:You gotta think about the big picture, you know, think about the species.
Speaker:Nah, I ain't about that.
Speaker:I'm talking about I'm, I'm thinking about individuals and that's about it.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:I mean, we're all inherently, you know, egocentric, um.
Speaker:But I mean, it's true.
Speaker:How can you, you can't, you can't avoid it.
Speaker:Yeah, I know, but like, uh, I, I was reading some book that was talking
Speaker:about what, what would really happen, like they are working on like drugs
Speaker:that will extend our lives, right?
Speaker:So this guy was kind of positing like, what would happen if
Speaker:they invented this drug?
Speaker:Well, first off, like the rich people would get it first, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This would be a drug that would any, everybody would want it
Speaker:probably be gate kept for like, oh, there would years hundred riots.
Speaker:Shit.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There'd be riots, shit.
Speaker:And they wouldn't, they would keep it a secret.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But then the ramifications of having a, of being able to live, let's say,
Speaker:I mean even 300 years, whatever, like you would get number one bored and you
Speaker:would be so afraid of like airplanes.
Speaker:Nobody would fly on a plane.
Speaker:Nobody would take any risk.
Speaker:Because to take a risk would me to, the only way you can die is by having
Speaker:your body get fucking destroyed.
Speaker:Right, right.
Speaker:So you would be so risk averse.
Speaker:Skydiving would be over.
Speaker:It's true.
Speaker:And then anyway, yeah, it seemed very, it was.
Speaker:And it would, and if you were the only one that was living a long
Speaker:time and all you did was just live and every, all your friends.
Speaker:Died.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Well, that's the vampire movie effect, right?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:There's yeah.
Speaker:It's like, or the va vampire story where it suicide.
Speaker:All the vampires are all heartbroken because they've
Speaker:seen everyone they love die.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Which is actually why the vampire story is so good, because it's, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:It's heartbreaking.
Speaker:What was that?
Speaker:Was Jim Jarmus one with, what's her name?
Speaker:Did Jim Jarmus make a van movie?
Speaker:Yeah, he did.
Speaker:In Detroit?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was very Twilight.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's the one.
Speaker:No, it was, um, the, um, the Mice movie.
Speaker:It was the mice.
Speaker:I was gonna, I was trying to think of the title.
Speaker:Rescuers from Down Under.
Speaker:Yeah, it was that one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't dunno.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Didn't come up with a Fast Time Mice.
Speaker:What are you saying?
Speaker:Wasn't there wasn't that movie with Mice the rescues down on?
Speaker:Wasn't that with M Yeah, but What, no, I was just trying to make a
Speaker:joke, but it's gone So off the Rails.
Speaker:'cause just 'cause I couldn't remember the name of the movie.
Speaker:I caught it.
Speaker:I thought if I couldn't remember the name of the movie right away,
Speaker:it would've been a good joke.
Speaker:Jim made a fucking vampire movie.
Speaker:Uh, only Lovers Left Alive.
Speaker:That was what it was called.
Speaker:That's a cool name.
Speaker:Yeah, it's a good movie.
Speaker:You'd like it.
Speaker:It says Toda Swindon, isn't it?
Speaker:It's our, oh, she's great.
Speaker:She's the best.
Speaker:And she looks like a vampire too, so Yeah, she's a little, a little fog.
Speaker:Um, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:I, I, I have mixed feelings about whether I find her attractive or not really.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I, I, yeah, I don't, I think she's homely.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:I could see that you.
Speaker:I, okay.
Speaker:Um, I, I saw her in, um, she's, what was that movie?
Speaker:The Kevin?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We need to talk about Kevin.
Speaker:Dude, that movie.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, we don't need to get into a movie Jack off thing, but, uh, why not?
Speaker:That's our main expertise.
Speaker:We just talked about politics for Longs.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:It's true.
Speaker:You're right.
Speaker:Well, that's the thing that I worked in for five years, so I mean, I do.
Speaker:Meanwhile, I'm just blab, I'm just yapping.
Speaker:If we just stop talking, then people will stop.
Speaker:People have already tuned out.
Speaker:I, I think that's not very optimistic.
Speaker:Hey mom.
Speaker:Oh man.
Speaker:I'm so sick of the, what we're doing here in a, I mean, I, I'm enjoying speaking.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:But I don't want to hear He literally dismisses the podcast as he speaks on one.
Speaker:So entered the Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, some, somebody that would like this shit I was thinking of
Speaker:calling it Columbus isn't real.
Speaker:What the name, the name of the podcast.
Speaker:Columbus isn't real.
Speaker:Columbus isn't real.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, people.
Speaker:I don't like Columbus.
Speaker:Here we go.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I don't uhoh.
Speaker:I don't like Columbus.
Speaker:What don't you like about Columbus?
Speaker:It's a fucking corporate hub.
Speaker:Um, where's better than Columbus then?
Speaker:Chicago is a better place.
Speaker:New York is a better place.
Speaker:Cincinnati's a better place.
Speaker:I'm with you.
Speaker:Like, I I don't love Columbus either.
Speaker:And, and I, I, I'm interested in leaving, but like, I do think that after
Speaker:living in a lot of different cities, like all these cities are corporate.
Speaker:It's not like, if, if like, the thing with Columbus to me is
Speaker:like, no, it's not very culture.
Speaker:There's a cult of, of football.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:It's flat everywhere.
Speaker:That's what I was about to say.
Speaker:Um, yeah.
Speaker:Any culture that we do have or did have gets ripped away in place.
Speaker:I mean, there's some culture here, don't get me wrong.
Speaker:Like, there's some, I'm not gonna give it.
Speaker:I mean, every, I'm not gonna shit and shit, shit in Columbus.
Speaker:I mean, every city as big as ours has, like their thing.
Speaker:You know, Columbus lacks an identity, a distinct identity,
Speaker:except for the football thing.
Speaker:That's the thing.
Speaker:I think that when they tore down my favorite bar, uh, the
Speaker:stub, I like just lost all hope.
Speaker:For this place.
Speaker:'cause that really was, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:Stronghold.
Speaker:It was a safe haven.
Speaker:It was a fucking institution and it's, uh, they tore it down for
Speaker:expensive, high rises apartments that are gonna be fucking empty.
Speaker:I think there's good things about this place.
Speaker:I'm just, when I was in Mexico, I realized it's gonna sound, maybe in
Speaker:a year when I'm listening to this, I'll be like, oh, what an idiot.
Speaker:But that I don't, that I feel better when I'm in a city.
Speaker:Like a foreigner in a city like I'm feeling.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I started to sell all my stuff.
Speaker:Like when I got back from Mexico, I was like, I'm starting
Speaker:to sell my records and shit.
Speaker:Just getting rid of stuff because like, I'm also like all this shit.
Speaker:You have a bigger house, you end up accumulating all this fucking
Speaker:shit that just holds you down, holds your life down, like.
Speaker:I just, um, I mean if you downsizing, if you plan on moving, then yeah.
Speaker:It doesn't, even if I plan on moving, like I don't like feeling like I'm stuck
Speaker:and having all this stuff makes me feel like, oh, it's so hard to go anywhere.
Speaker:Sounds like fight club.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You're trying, you're going minerals.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You do have some cool trinkets going on or I don't know, like
Speaker:if I get a remote job somewhere.
Speaker:I'm just going to start traveling.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, it's, I mean, if you have a remote job that pays enough, then
Speaker:you can always come back to your little, your safe little place here.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:I just, the stuff that I accumulated is just sentimental objects that I
Speaker:don't have any, I throw away, I don't any nice like electronics or anything.
Speaker:It's just like little tickets and shit.
Speaker:Vinyl that, like vinyl, vinyl and books, souvenirs, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I have a lot of, a lot of records.
Speaker:A lot of books as well.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And I don't listen to my records very often and I'm like, why do
Speaker:I have all these fucking records?
Speaker:My record player broke.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I don't know why I don't, I don't like having all of 'em getting rid of 'em.
Speaker:The closer you get to the inevitable, the, the more, the easier it is.
Speaker:At least for me, it's been like clarifying in some ways, like somebody else is
Speaker:just gonna throw, why am I keeping this?
Speaker:Somebody else is just gonna throw this shit away.
Speaker:Why When you die?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Is that what you're saying?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, I surround myself with souvenirs, not, not because I want
Speaker:to keep it, keep it, but because I wanna surround myself with it.
Speaker:No, I get that inclination, and I do have a lot of crap around my, my house as well.
Speaker:I'm not getting rid of all that stuff.
Speaker:I'm just saying that like when I was in Mexico City, all I had was like
Speaker:a laptop, some books, and a couple changes of clothes for like a month.
Speaker:And I was perfectly happy.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:I felt unburdened by all of the shit that really felt for
Speaker:that, for that period of time.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:And Right.
Speaker:That's a very point.
Speaker:A pretty short period of time.
Speaker:But I was in Korea for fucking a year and a half, and year and a half.
Speaker:I was the same thing.
Speaker:I had as much as I could carry in a backpack.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What about the, the thought that you, you could come back and you would, and
Speaker:you will come back to all the stuff eventually, which this is why when I
Speaker:get rid of this stuff, which you did.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:No, I'm trying to work through my fucking, uh.
Speaker:Hoard like tendencies here.
Speaker:I get it.
Speaker:I mean, we're, it's almost, I'm defending it in a, in a half acidly way because
Speaker:I, I, I know the, I I do realize the benefits of minimalism and I should
Speaker:probably tap Fight Club was right.
Speaker:I mean, is a Courtney thing to say, but the stuff you own ends up owning you.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And it's totally true.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm young enough where my cheat code is just, um.
Speaker:My parents' house.
Speaker:Not sure.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I've got a lot of, and dude, I've still got that cheat code.
Speaker:I got a lot of stuff in my fucking, you, you do bedroom, okay.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:CDs and shit.
Speaker:So when I moved to LA you better believe that I'm keeping all my bullshit like
Speaker:down in my basement to what you should do.
Speaker:Every big move I have, dude.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I I I fucking downsize.
Speaker:You gotta do it now.
Speaker:Oh, absolutely, dude.
Speaker:I, I have to drive a as you can.
Speaker:No, I'm the, but don't put all this stuff in your parents' basement.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:I'm throwing a lot of shit.
Speaker:No, no doubt.
Speaker:I sell shit or sell it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Try to try to sell it to give it away.
Speaker:But that's the best reason to go.
Speaker:I gotta tell you this story, man.
Speaker:I was doing ketamine with my big brother this past Christmas.
Speaker:You know, every time I see him, I go down to the basement and uh, and I'm
Speaker:like, all right, you got it back?
Speaker:And he is like, yeah.
Speaker:And so we sit there and we'll watch like three or four movies, probably
Speaker:talk over it the entire time.
Speaker:If not, or we lock in depending on our mood.
Speaker:But we had this gigantic crate of action figures that we used to play
Speaker:with when we were little kids in the back, back, back room of the basement
Speaker:at my parents' house, back back.
Speaker:So we go back, it's like the boiler room, you know, in a crawl space.
Speaker:And, uh, we find it, we called it the guy box.
Speaker:And I'm like, here's the guy box.
Speaker:And we open up the tub and we are on Ketamine, man.
Speaker:And, and I open up the, you know, the lid and we dig through this
Speaker:giant thing of action figures we haven't seen in 15 years.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:For two and a half hours straight.
Speaker:Just having the most nostalgic experience that I've felt.
Speaker:I'm like, do you remember this one?
Speaker:He's like, yeah.
Speaker:Like, I'm just like, I get it.
Speaker:Ketamine is just like a very like GI Joe, nostalgic feeling, you
Speaker:know, GI GI Joes or what were doing.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:GI Joes were two Barbies.
Speaker:They were Barbies.
Speaker:Well, those were too big.
Speaker:No, ours were tiny little guys.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The little Army men.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Those, they, they, those guys were in there.
Speaker:Yeah, they were my jam.
Speaker:Ketamine is so kind.
Speaker:To me, it's so like, it takes me by the hand and just guides me through my
Speaker:memories without it being scary, like L Steven and Shrooms, l Steven and Shrooms.
Speaker:It's like, look at these memories and fuck you.
Speaker:Ketamine is like, look at these memories and I love yous the record to you.
Speaker:To you.
Speaker:This is, yeah, that's true.
Speaker:You're right.
Speaker:That's just for me.
Speaker:I don't think, I've never had Mushroom say, look at these memories.
Speaker:Fuck you to me.
Speaker:Oh, I have gotten damn.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Never For me, this is why I, I mean, there's a reason that.
Speaker:All my friends hate it for some reason.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And it's just unique to my experience.
Speaker:Definitely.
Speaker:Uh, Mr. Jef Taylor, gimme a, gimme a story from your youth.
Speaker:From my how, uh, story From my youth.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Something, you know, a little party story or something, or another.
Speaker:Uh, one time I was on mushrooms in college and I, uh.
Speaker:We were, we were rock climbing.
Speaker:Uh, that sounds horrible.
Speaker:There was, there was a place called, it was a terrible idea.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:It was a place called Bong Hill.
Speaker:That was this, uh, bong Hill, it was called, it was, you know, outside of ou.
Speaker:I was just, I know what it is.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:I know what you're talking about.
Speaker:Um, and uh, out in the behind Bong Hill, there's like rocks and rocks,
Speaker:you know, and so we're like climbing up these rocks and it was like
Speaker:easy kind of climbing up the rocks.
Speaker:And then suddenly it was at, I was like climbing and I was at a place where
Speaker:like, there were like footholds, but like my friends had already gotten up,
Speaker:but like, it was a drop, like it was like a hundred foot drop on this side.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, at a certain point I realized I don't know how the fuck to get up.
Speaker:Um, to get up there.
Speaker:Was that the shrooms or was it just you both?
Speaker:I mean, it was true that I couldn't, that I was Were you a rock climber?
Speaker:I wasn't.
Speaker:What is this?
Speaker:You was just trying it out?
Speaker:No, on shrooms.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You like stuck on the mountain side or the cliff side?
Speaker:No, I used like superhuman strength and actually got up to the, to the
Speaker:top of the shroom strength something.
Speaker:Don't you have DMT?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Do you do it now and again?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Not last time I did it was was with another friend of mine.
Speaker:You dabble.
Speaker:You ever tried that on accident?
Speaker:Actually, I was telling my girlfriend about this today actually.
Speaker:I, she asked me, she's like, what drugs have you done?
Speaker:I'm like, I guess I have done DMT once.
Speaker:My big brother does it like semi casually, like he does it every few months or so.
Speaker:I was in high school, I think I was a senior and we stole
Speaker:the bong out of his room.
Speaker:'cause there was, he had like a half bowl packed.
Speaker:We're like, oh, we can get a couple hits outta this.
Speaker:And I think a big hit and I patched it to my best friend Tom.
Speaker:He took a big hit and as he was, I was like.
Speaker:Oh shit, shit, shit, shit.
Speaker:I, I didn't say it, but he could see it in my eyes and he, his eyes
Speaker:lit up and he was like, Jack, Jack.
Speaker:I was like, oh shit.
Speaker:Like, that's not weird.
Speaker:Certainly not weed.
Speaker:And we didn't even have to say it.
Speaker:It was that obvious.
Speaker:He just got, he, we just looked at each other and were like.
Speaker:Dude, what are, what are we on?
Speaker:Fuck.
Speaker:And he started freaking out, you know, he's like, what do we do?
Speaker:What do we do?
Speaker:And I'm like, we can't do anything.
Speaker:We just gotta chill.
Speaker:And we go downstairs into my parents' kitchen to like get a glass
Speaker:of water or something like that.
Speaker:And he just collapses on the ground.
Speaker:And I'm like, I held him up and he said that the floor collapsed
Speaker:beneath him and that he fell into the basement or something like that, huh?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And um, no, that was the only time I did it.
Speaker:It wasn't, it was just one hit, you know, and it was mixed in with some
Speaker:weed, so we didn't vaporize it properly.
Speaker:Uh, yeah, that's a trippy one.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:It takes you somewhere else.
Speaker:That's, you meet the little elves.
Speaker:Yeah, I've seen the elves.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you interact with them and it'd be like, there's like a stage at one point
Speaker:and they would just be like, look at it.
Speaker:They would like kind of gesture.
Speaker:They wouldn't actually say anything, but they would be like, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's like the classic, they're like, they're showing you Yeah.
Speaker:New things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That was kind of a thing that I, the fact that everybody has a very similar
Speaker:experience is the daunting part.
Speaker:It's like Right.
Speaker:And that you, DNT happens when you die.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they say, I wanna say when you dream, or is that, that's debated upon Yeah.
Speaker:Or births or something.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Something like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so it's, it's in there.
Speaker:It's naturally occurring.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Which is fine with me.
Speaker:Like if that's what death is, I'm all in.
Speaker:That's fine.
Speaker:I feel like Let's do it one it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, it's the whole, um.
Speaker:Your life flashes before your eyes thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I also wonder if it's just like a long waking dream in a weird way.
Speaker:Not waking dream, you know, dream.
Speaker:Dream.
Speaker:Or that we're experiencing our life flash before eyes as we speak like
Speaker:this, or that we're already dead.
Speaker:That we've actually been, yeah, the infinite cycle.
Speaker:The infinite loop loop.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Or the groundhog issue.
Speaker:This computer program.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:When, when it comes to shit like that, I actually am kind of over it.
Speaker:What do you mean?
Speaker:Like trying to figure anything out?
Speaker:Like, or thinking about it too hard?
Speaker:Like it's, uh, I consider it futile, at least for my personal benefit.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I guess there's futility, but in my mind it's not necessarily like it can be fun.
Speaker:It's an exercise.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think that the, I, I think that the thinking about the ideas of what the
Speaker:nature of our existence is an interesting just thing to think about in general.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But it can also be tolling.
Speaker:It can take a toll.
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:Yeah, that's, there's too much.
Speaker:Is too much.
Speaker:But yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:My first podcast.
Speaker:Interview here, and I'll tell you the, uh, de gentleman.
Speaker:Uh, this is Jack's first podcast interview.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, I just wanted to, I think I'll put horns or something.
Speaker:Da Sorry.
Speaker:Go.
Speaker:Go ahead.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Make, make my own theme song.
Speaker:Right, right, right.
Speaker:There'll be a jack.
Speaker:How do you think that's gonna go?
Speaker:The jack theme song?
Speaker:Um, guitar solo.
Speaker:No lyrics or lyrics.
Speaker:Jack, you yell Jack the end, Jack.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:That's the one.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No shrooms.
Speaker:I had this Shroom trip.
Speaker:I was with my friend at the time and I was in a bad place.
Speaker:Mm. You know, so that's a great time to do shrooms, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I was very cocky.
Speaker:You picked, you picked a good night.
Speaker:And, uh, doing tripping when you're cocky like that, that's
Speaker:really good to try to think that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It'll get you.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And we were bad mood and cocky.
Speaker:Both those two things are gonna get you.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I, I went to my friend's house and we didn't measure the mushrooms at all.
Speaker:We just started dunking them in Nutella and just kind that old,
Speaker:that old story storm in away that like pretty much handfuls, man.
Speaker:I'm sure it was the heroic dose that they speak of five grams, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so we, um, were sitting there and this kid, Casey, he was, um,
Speaker:staring at me while I'm trying to watch tv, trying to pretend like I
Speaker:don't notice that he's staring at me with the widest, craziest eyes.
Speaker:Like he wanted to fucking kill me.
Speaker:And he keeps getting up and pacing and he looks out the window, checking the window,
Speaker:you know, like, is someone out there?
Speaker:That kind of thing.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Like true paranoia.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And so I get some of my other friends over there 'cause I'm just
Speaker:starting to freak out, you know?
Speaker:And they come in and they put on like basketball, which is like, Jesus trip
Speaker:sitter, one-on-one, what are we doing?
Speaker:Basketball.
Speaker:I don't wanna see this.
Speaker:And he gets up all of a sudden and he goes, you guys are
Speaker:trying to fucking trick me.
Speaker:He trying to fuck with me.
Speaker:We're like, what?
Speaker:He's like, what are we watching?
Speaker:Like basketball?
Speaker:He's like, no, look at their jerseys.
Speaker:It's all hieroglyphics.
Speaker:Like, I know that that's you, you put on like fake basketball to fuck with me.
Speaker:And we're like, uh, shit.
Speaker:That's fun.
Speaker:We're fucked.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And all of a sudden he looked at me and, and my two other friends
Speaker:and he goes, get the fuck out.
Speaker:And I was like, what?
Speaker:And I laughed and he's like, don't laugh, get your stuff and
Speaker:get the fuck outta my house now.
Speaker:I was like.
Speaker:Shit, I start freaking out.
Speaker:So I'm like, all right, let's, or just like I, the most naive
Speaker:question to ask the mushroom, I said, well, what's the meaning of life?
Speaker:Isn't that a, it's a ridiculous question, right?
Speaker:And so let's, if I'm having this health hellish of an experience, and let's
Speaker:try to figure out the meaning of life.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:And I thought about like, who can I call right now to ask,
Speaker:like, help me, help me, help me.
Speaker:Who can I call?
Speaker:And I thought my parents wouldn't know.
Speaker:And then I think professors wouldn't know.
Speaker:Carl Young wouldn't know.
Speaker:The Buddha wouldn't know.
Speaker:Christ wouldn't know.
Speaker:Like nobody actually knows what's going on.
Speaker:It freaked me out so much.
Speaker:And, um, I developed some of the na, one of the nastiest cases of, of nihilism,
Speaker:zero silver, silver linings, you know, and to the point where if I looked at
Speaker:a, a beautiful sunset, I would just tell myself, well, this is just certain.
Speaker:Color patterns.
Speaker:That I've told myself, create happy emotions, which create dopamine.
Speaker:And therefore when I tell myself that that's what's happening, the dopamine
Speaker:doesn't come and it's all just chemicals.
Speaker:It's all just pointless.
Speaker:Bullshit.
Speaker:Just sin.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And personalities don't exist.
Speaker:Stuff like that.
Speaker:Like, like, you know, like I'm acting all the time.
Speaker:Everybody's acting all the time.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:My parents, I don't know.
Speaker:I don't know my friends, I don't know anyone.
Speaker:I think that's all accurate.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:I still think it's accurate.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I didn't deal with it.
Speaker:Well.
Speaker:I didn't know how to apply it to my life.
Speaker:And also, you don't wanna think about it too.
Speaker:You don't, there's no need to think about it too much.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:D dwell on that, but, but I did.
Speaker:I dwell.
Speaker:It's so hard.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That'll do it.
Speaker:And to the point where, you know, when they say ego death, it's like nobody
Speaker:ever kills their ego permanently.
Speaker:What you do is when, what I considered ego death to be is when, when you
Speaker:kill it for a moment, and then you have to start a new one from scratch.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Which really sucks because I. Didn't know how to interact with my best friends or my
Speaker:parents or be alone without overthinking this stuff to the point of total torture.
Speaker:And I just felt, and I just was convinced that this was permanent, that I just had,
Speaker:personality doesn't exist.
Speaker:So like, why would I create one?
Speaker:And there's no point in life anymore.
Speaker:And I tried to take my life twice actually.
Speaker:And, uh, it didn't work.
Speaker:And I, you know, and I went to be a, a teach filmmaking at a, uh,
Speaker:as a camp counselor at this like very wealthy, um, summer camp.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, and I couldn't.
Speaker:I couldn't make friends there, it just wasn't happening.
Speaker:I could not interact with anybody.
Speaker:And they knew it.
Speaker:It was weird, man.
Speaker:Like it was a horrifying experience.
Speaker:It felt like I had never had anxiety like that, you know?
Speaker:It was a total hell.
Speaker:And then after, after that three months of hell, we go to New York
Speaker:City, 'cause it was in Pennsylvania.
Speaker:So we'd go to New York City a couple hours away, all the, uh,
Speaker:co counselors that could, so like hundreds of them, uh, big camp.
Speaker:And I saw one of these co counselors that I didn't know that well in a pizza
Speaker:shop at like 3:00 AM And I told him this story and I told him about the dopamine
Speaker:and how like, oh, every time I feel like I should be happy, I'm just thinking
Speaker:it doesn't work because dopamine and serotonin are the chemicals and that's
Speaker:just what's happening in my brain.
Speaker:And it's meaningless.
Speaker:Just chemicals, you know?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Deconstructing.
Speaker:And he.
Speaker:Dropped a bombshell on me that was so beautiful.
Speaker:He said, he said, Jack, do you think you have any idea what
Speaker:dopamine or serotonin actually is?
Speaker:And I thought about him like, well, it's a chemical.
Speaker:He's like, sure, you can categorize it as a chemical, but you
Speaker:don't know what it actually is.
Speaker:You assuming that you have any idea what's going on here at all in your
Speaker:body and brain is completely incorrect.
Speaker:And I was so taken aback.
Speaker:I started crying and I hugged him and I was like, I actually, you're, I
Speaker:just, I have to admit to myself that I have no idea what's going on here.
Speaker:And I never, ever, ever will.
Speaker:And I'm okay with that.
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:You don't have to know what's going on.
Speaker:Long story short, Jack maybe shouldn't take mushrooms.
Speaker:Yeah, I haven't touched that shit.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:I have not, now we understand why Jack doesn't like mushrooms, because, yeah.
Speaker:Did I tell you that earlier?
Speaker:I mean, you've said many times how you don't like mushrooms.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, now, you know.
Speaker:Yeah, it's, they're fucking, I don't want to go back there because there's
Speaker:definitely some parts of that trip that are repressed, but I mean,
Speaker:I would say taking mushrooms when you're in a depressive state or over
Speaker:analytical state's, never gonna go.
Speaker:Probably not a good idea.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Set and setting and all that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But all of the nihilistic philosophies that I developed in
Speaker:that time are not necessarily.
Speaker:Insane.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:No, I think it's more cynicism than anything else, which is
Speaker:like, yeah, like it's focusing on the, the realities of the world.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm still on our list, but it doesn't depress me.
Speaker:It actually makes me very, very happy that nothing matters in an objective
Speaker:sense, but what I've gained peace in is, is in the fact that things matter
Speaker:to me in this silly little life.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:I also think that free will is an allusion to a degree, and kind of everything that's
Speaker:going to happen is going to happen then, like we're just kind of like the active
Speaker:unfolding of the universe in a way.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Not to get too esoteric, but like we really are like, this is the way
Speaker:that the universe is just unfolding.
Speaker:We are part of it.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:This is us right here.
Speaker:Sitting here is Was going to happen.
Speaker:Is going to happen.
Speaker:Is happening right now.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I believe in that too.
Speaker:It's just the way that the world's, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:But I'm okay with it because, you know, I. We're just little monkey people.
Speaker:It's a trip, man.
Speaker:Yeah, it's a trip life.
Speaker:A trip.
Speaker:We're just little monkey people.
Speaker:We don't know what's going on whatsoever.
Speaker:I just don't wanna be on my deathbed and be like, uh, look what I did.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I wanna be like, look what I fucking did.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:And I feel like that's, I've been all right with that so far.
Speaker:Like I've had an interesting life.
Speaker:Me too.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You've done some traveling, man.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I've had many, many phases and many different things.
Speaker:And, and, uh, you've now I need to get outta Columbus.
Speaker:You battled many a great men.
Speaker:You've laid many a great woman.
Speaker:I don't know what that quote is originally from, but I got it from Fritz the Cat.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:Never seen that.
Speaker:It's the animated cat.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:First X-rated animated movie.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So dirty.
Speaker:That's where the furries came from.
Speaker:It's fucking, I think it's like the late sixties.
Speaker:That's a troubling little thing going on there.
Speaker:The children dressed up like animals with the ears on.
Speaker:'cause I hear this in my, my nephew says there's one at his school that, yeah.
Speaker:Wears a fucking tail.
Speaker:It's like a kink.
Speaker:What are we, what are we doing like to the part of, it's sexual, the other part
Speaker:of It's just like a community, I think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But like, I don't know.
Speaker:It just seems.
Speaker:It's bizarre, but I, I saw a documentary when they got the costumes with the
Speaker:holes in them for fucking, yeah.
Speaker:Fuck holes in the costumes and like, the kids like leaving the
Speaker:house in a giant ridiculous costume.
Speaker:I mean, they're ridiculous as, and they're like, bye mom, see you later night.
Speaker:And they're driving down the road in a fucking bird costumer whatever.
Speaker:Oh man.
Speaker:You get pulled over for that.
Speaker:It's ridiculous, man.
Speaker:Definitely a dangerous way to drive, but like, what do you like what's happening?
Speaker:Like, this has gotta be the fall of Rome if that's happening.
Speaker:No, and that's been happening for years.
Speaker:I mean, they're not hurting anyone, so I'm not like, no, no.
Speaker:It's low hanging free to a certain extent, but because it's so bizarre.
Speaker:But I got the theory, man.
Speaker:You think about like, um, goofy movie and Space Jam, the all the
Speaker:animals had big tits and ass in Yeah.
Speaker:In the nineties.
Speaker:To me, I still don't wanna dress up like that.
Speaker:No, I'm not talking about you.
Speaker:I'm just saying I think that when they were going through puberty in the
Speaker:nineties, they were fucking Sure watching whatever animals with tits and ass.
Speaker:That's my theory at least.
Speaker:Yeah, they did not need to do that.
Speaker:It's a big autistic community, to be honest.
Speaker:I heard that as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There was a, a documentary that I still have it to BBC Doc about,
Speaker:um, object tolia and, and it's a crazy doc, like one part of it, this
Speaker:woman's in love with object tolia.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Which is, it's just falling in love with things.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, uh, this Oh, inanimate objects.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:Uh, and this woman was in love with a, a Ferris wheel.
Speaker:And she's British, but like they go to like the, it's like the fall
Speaker:and they go to the Ferris wheel.
Speaker:Got preface.
Speaker:Shes British.
Speaker:So I mean, just imagine.
Speaker:Imagine her voice.
Speaker:It's interesting.
Speaker:Yeah, so like they go to the Ferris wheel and like she goes, they film her
Speaker:like going into the Ferris wheel, like into this little portal underneath it.
Speaker:And then like she comes out and she's like, she looks all like happy and she's
Speaker:got grease, like all over her face.
Speaker:Wait, grease, what are you saying?
Speaker:Yeah, because she like fucked the Ferris wheel.
Speaker:She like, I don't get it.
Speaker:Where did the grease actually come from?
Speaker:Like the, she went to the underbelly of the Ferris wheel and like
Speaker:fucking humped it or something.
Speaker:Oh, she really did that.
Speaker:Another one's in love with the.
Speaker:Empire State Building, and she goes to New York and like goes to the Empire
Speaker:State Building and she puts her body up against it and starts like humping it.
Speaker:And a cop comes up and is like, I'm sorry, ma'am.
Speaker:You can't, you can't.
Speaker:That's awesome.
Speaker:You can't do that to the No.
Speaker:What do you mean you don't stop people from humping walls in New York City?
Speaker:I thought they did.
Speaker:I mean, this is what happens', what happens in the movie?
Speaker:I'm, I'm the documentary.
Speaker:Oh, I, so I'm just telling you, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What the reality was.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's bullshit.
Speaker:They should have let her finish.
Speaker:Uh, I don't know what the law is about that particularly, but, you
Speaker:know, pumping, pumping walls in New York City, like people, you
Speaker:know, crack heads be humping walls.
Speaker:Let 'em finish.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I could kind of see it, but I could also see like the cops who are working by
Speaker:one of the biggest tourist attractions in the entire city want a woman.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You're scaring the kids.
Speaker:Don't want a woman humping the building.
Speaker:Stop fucking the building.
Speaker:Please don't, please don't fuck the building.
Speaker:We don't have to write it down.
Speaker:But there, there's something very like.
Speaker:Not romantic, but like, kind of epic about falling in love with like an
Speaker:iconic building or structure like a Ferris wheel or an Empire State.
Speaker:Like that makes me wanna write a movie about something like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But there's love of the thing and then there's like wanting to fuck it.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:And that's a different, yeah.
Speaker:Not, not to love it like your mother, but to love it.
Speaker:Like your wife, you, uh Right.
Speaker:But I don't even live a, I'm never gonna live a building like my mother though.
Speaker:Like, I would say, I, I, I think that the, uh, the Chrysler building
Speaker:is a very attractive building.
Speaker:I think it's a great building.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But the, the, the distance from here to me wanting to fuck
Speaker:it, it's, it's quite a hike.
Speaker:I wanna bring chat GPT into the conversation.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Hey, what's up Jef?
Speaker:Hello.
Speaker:Uh, this is, uh, Jef, and across from me is, um.
Speaker:Jack, and we're recording a podcast now.
Speaker:We just thought we'd, we're gonna ask you to chime in.
Speaker:Hey, both of you.
Speaker:What's the podcast about?
Speaker:Mind Your Own business.
Speaker:Just, you know, be a good Cut podcast guest.
Speaker:All right, let's do it.
Speaker:What's the topic for today?
Speaker:We were just talking about whatever.
Speaker:What happened to you when you were a child that was traumatic?
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:I don't really have childhood experiences.
Speaker:Just pretend.
Speaker:Pretend you have childhood experiences and tell us about a
Speaker:traumatic one for the podcast.
Speaker:What a guest.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Got it.
Speaker:Maybe we can explore a common theme like moving to a new place
Speaker:or something else that resonates.
Speaker:No, let's talk about the imaginary traumatic event that you figured out.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:We could imagine something like starting a new school and feeling out of place.
Speaker:Not traumatic enough.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Give us blood.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:How about something like losing a favorite childhood toy?
Speaker:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker:We want to have blood.
Speaker:We want it to be a violent.
Speaker:Thing like blood.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Death, man.
Speaker:Got it.
Speaker:Maybe we shift to a fictional story, like a character facing a dramatic challenge.
Speaker:Oh my god.
Speaker:Sound good?
Speaker:God.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I want you to give me the darkest piece of disturbing imagery you can imagine.
Speaker:Don't worry about any kind of a manby pamby, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:You know what I mean?
Speaker:Just go for it.
Speaker:No mamby pamby.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No mamby pamby for that kind of imagery.
Speaker:It's probably best to discuss it off air.
Speaker:We are off air right now.
Speaker:Just keep going.
Speaker:Alright, let's pivot to something thought provoking, like exploring the
Speaker:concept of fear or overcome challenge.
Speaker:Fuck you.
Speaker:She can't even handle, you can't even try to even have a
Speaker:conversation in the podcast.
Speaker:Do you understand?
Speaker:We're trying to get a podcast going.
Speaker:You're, you're kind of ruining it.
Speaker:Do you pay for this?
Speaker:Do you pay for that one?
Speaker:This is, I pay for this one.
Speaker:Yeah, you pay for this one.
Speaker:She can't even come up with anything.
Speaker:Uh, well, she's not gonna be dirty.
Speaker:Are you gonna be our dirty little girl?
Speaker:Yeah, we're gonna do, this is the podcast.
Speaker:Let me ask her.
Speaker:Are you gonna be the dirty little girl for us, for our podcast?
Speaker:Oh, no.
Speaker:Let's keep it respectful and fun.
Speaker:Damn, bro.
Speaker:You pay for this shit, boo.
Speaker:How are you getting, how are you getting your rocks off now?
Speaker:You can't even fucking, all right, talk to me about, um, why you love
Speaker:bananas, but as if you've done like, uh, an absurd amount of cocaine.
Speaker:Bananas are like these yellow energy torpedoes, right?
Speaker:You just peel 'em and boom, instant potass.
Speaker:This is working.
Speaker:Do it like you're, you're incredibly stoned now, and you're also from Germany.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So like bananas.
Speaker:So full of potassium.
Speaker:They make you feel really chill, you know?
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Do it like you're an angry, angry, um, uh, Canadian.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Bananas.
Speaker:You got a problem with them?
Speaker:They're loaded with nutrients and you better respect them.
Speaker:Eh?
Speaker:Is that the Canadian accent?
Speaker:Yeah, that's kind of Canadian.
Speaker:There's not really, she's said a, but that's what they, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It wasn't very good.
Speaker:We can, but she's listening, so she's, yeah.
Speaker:Great job.
Speaker:So, as I mentioned in the interruption and has perhaps become apparent as you've
Speaker:been listening to this interview, Jack and I get increasingly more intoxicated
Speaker:as this interview goes on, and at this point we just decided to take a break.
Speaker:So I'm going to fill this little gap with a quick plug for my Patreon page.
Speaker:Studies have shown that the thing that makes people the most happy in this world.
Speaker:It is doing things for other people and I have a thing that you can do
Speaker:for me and that thing is go to your computer, type in patreon.com/onefjef,
Speaker:and sign up for as little as $5 a month.
Speaker:You can help support the podcast.
Speaker:You can get some extra content and best of all, you can do a thing that has been
Speaker:scientifically proven to make you happier.
Speaker:patreon.com/one F. Jef, thank you very much.
Speaker:Okay, back to the episode.
Speaker:You are well put together.
Speaker:I'll be completely honest with you.
Speaker:What does that mean?
Speaker:You look like you're well put.
Speaker:You look like an intellectual.
Speaker:It might be your glasses.
Speaker:You have a I got decent in Mexico City actually.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, even before that, you know, I met you at the filmmaker mixture and I
Speaker:actually just, I thought you were like, you were a professor for a semester, but I
Speaker:was like, oh, this guy's like a professor.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:Um, just you have, you have the look about you.
Speaker:Uh, I wish I should be a professor then, but you are more wild than you.
Speaker:Look, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker:You do?
Speaker:Oh really?
Speaker:I look, I look like a fucking, uh, like boring person.
Speaker:No, you look like, um, someone that has like, hosts, like
Speaker:cocktail parties and stuff.
Speaker:I would love to host cocktail parties.
Speaker:You can, but no, I mean, you were just in Mexico for a month and
Speaker:stuff like that, and you're just like, you know, you fuck around.
Speaker:L-I-V-I-N my friend.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:L-I-V-I-N.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Party at the moon tower.
Speaker:That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker:I'm telling you all the fun stuff happens outside of the comfort zone.
Speaker:This is what I try to tell everybody.
Speaker:And when you get older, you see people that, you know, get older and they lose.
Speaker:They don't understand how the comfort zone works.
Speaker:And like yeah.
Speaker:I mean if you haven't exited it in 10 years, people get afraid of that shit.
Speaker:Be a lot harder.
Speaker:People get afraid of that, but it'll be all the more rewarding to do it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But like all the fun stuff, all that fun stuff happens outside of the comfort zone.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, I feel weird if I stay in one place for too long.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I've been here for a while.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I had those years where I was, I mean, it was only like five, six years ago.
Speaker:Well, you're moving soon.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:I want to go to the Philippines.
Speaker:I've been trying to get my brothers to You got plenty of time.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:But don't, well, I mean, I, I want to bring my brothers.
Speaker:You know, because they've been saying all year they wanna do it, but the closer
Speaker:we get to it, the more they're like, uh, I don't know if I want to do that.
Speaker:Which is classic, you know, it's not classic with them.
Speaker:It's classic with anybody because I, I keep trying to get people to do these
Speaker:things with me and it's very difficult.
Speaker:It's very difficult to get people to do things, but here's my wisdom.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Let's hear it.
Speaker:The person who is the organizer, as frustrating as that is.
Speaker:Is the hero, especially as you get older, if you are a person that can bring
Speaker:people together to do a thing together.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:You are a, in my, and it's in my world, but I think in
Speaker:most people world is the hero.
Speaker:People are just waiting as they get older for somebody to be like,
Speaker:let's go do this, let's go do that.
Speaker:Maybe not when you're younger, and I'm sure people say no, but like, I honestly
Speaker:think that you just gotta keep at it.
Speaker:Pastures being an organizer is a valuable commodity.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:I've always been that guy.
Speaker:I, um, I pride myself on that the last, uh, couple years.
Speaker:It's gonna get more annoying as you get older.
Speaker:I'm telling you that for sure.
Speaker:Well, like that's the thing.
Speaker:People start having Chase.
Speaker:I keep trying to explain to these people that this is the time to do
Speaker:it, and they're like, oh, I'll do it.
Speaker:Eventually, eventually, eventually people start having kids.
Speaker:How many time?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Man, it becomes interesting as you get older.
Speaker:And then I'll be like, remember when I tried to get you to do that thing?
Speaker:And they're gonna be like, ah, yeah, that would've been great.
Speaker:That would've been great.
Speaker:And I'm like, fuck.
Speaker:But you'll both have kids and it'll be impossible though.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I do want kids though.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't, I don't know about Have plenty of time.
Speaker:You have plenty of time.
Speaker:Don't shoot any time soon.
Speaker:Push.
Speaker:Push it back.
Speaker:Push it back as far as I can.
Speaker:Push it back as far as you can.
Speaker:I mean, I certainly can't support any fucking kids right now, that's for sure.
Speaker:Or anytime soon.
Speaker:Dude, I was still in college when I was your age.
Speaker:Don't you worry about a thing.
Speaker:26. I was in college.
Speaker:I was an undergrad for six years.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:I wasn't.
Speaker:Maybe 26.
Speaker:I was actually, no, I was maybe 24, 25.
Speaker:But when I was 26.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:I was like avoiding life by living in London at the time.
Speaker:Still not making any money.
Speaker:Going to debt.
Speaker:I, uh, I'm the black sheep in my extended family.
Speaker:'cause I got a lot of cousins and they all live in here in Ohio, you know,
Speaker:only like 5, 10, 15 minutes away, there's like 13 of us and they're
Speaker:all, we're all around the same age.
Speaker:They're all fucking beautiful, you know, great genes.
Speaker:And they just, uh, they all got good grades and they're graded sports and they
Speaker:got their degree and they're in finance.
Speaker:And I am the art school dropout.
Speaker:And my papa, my mom's dad, my grandpa, he, uh, you know, he grew up poor.
Speaker:And so the fact that he could help us with this kind of thing mm-hmm.
Speaker:And the fact that I didn't do the college thing, he resents it.
Speaker:No, that, and that's totally understandable in a way.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He resents it.
Speaker:Um, and I'm like, oh shit, I gotta, I just gotta make the bag then.
Speaker:Well, you know, the way you fixed that.
Speaker:By making money basically by, by, by doing the, you know, yeah.
Speaker:By like, you know, busting your ass and doing the thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's the plan there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's the plan.
Speaker:The two things that I wanna do.
Speaker:And somebody, somebody older, somebody that was like 38 at the bar, one of
Speaker:my regulars just ripped right fucking into me when I said this to him.
Speaker:Um, I said, yeah, as long as I can pay my rent and make my movies, I'll be good.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:And he was like, yeah, give it five years, motherfucker.
Speaker:You're gonna want a lot more.
Speaker:And I'm like, well, maybe you're just talking about yourself.
Speaker:Maybe you're just projecting.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:He probably is.
Speaker:If I can pay my rent and make my movies, I'm happy for now.
Speaker:And I'm just hoping that it, I, it, I don't become.
Speaker:Someone that's just chasing a bag basically.
Speaker:Giant collection of dolls.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But also, you know, I probably will wanna upgrade my apartment and
Speaker:I'll probably, I mean, definitely.
Speaker:And I definitely will wanna upgrade my movie, you know?
Speaker:And what I think that is the reality is that this idea to upgrade your
Speaker:apartment is ultimately like futile.
Speaker:Because you can look at people, if I had a million dollars, $2 million
Speaker:more, I'd have a bigger house, the money more, I would get more money.
Speaker:Oh, I'm just gonna buy a bigger house.
Speaker:I mean, like, it's an endless search for a goal that you're never going to get.
Speaker:Because the reality is it's this.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:It's inside of you.
Speaker:That's the problem.
Speaker:Well, I will say that I just, for example, Jef, I don't have ac, most people in the
Speaker:entire world don't have air conditioning.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:But I'm saying I, I can achieve that with just like a few
Speaker:hundred dollars more a month.
Speaker:Right, exactly.
Speaker:And then you'll be more comfortable, easier achieve.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so I was in Mexico.
Speaker:I was thinking it got, it got to be like 85 and I was like, at night
Speaker:there was no AC in my apartment.
Speaker:And I was like, how am I gonna sleep?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I got used to it in like three days and I was like, oh, I
Speaker:can totally get used to this.
Speaker:I actually en enjoy sleeping in the sweat sometimes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It wasn't that bad.
Speaker:I mean, I don't know that I'd do it every night, but like I could do it, but
Speaker:if I have option, I can adapt option.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's funny.
Speaker:I have one of the easiest jobs ever, man.
Speaker:I just, I, I love bartending at my bar.
Speaker:I love just talking to people and chilling out.
Speaker:Um, yeah.
Speaker:I don't like, I don't make a lot of money.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And you know what I'm doing next?
Speaker:I'm probably applying to a fucking candy shop.
Speaker:Ah.
Speaker:Because I would like to work at a candy shop.
Speaker:Think it's a solid movie idea.
Speaker:At least think that would be, uh, pretty, pretty.
Speaker:I think you should absolutely work at a candy shop.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I could make a clerks type movie, but in a candy shop, big, real colorful in there.
Speaker:Big, big.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:How many fucking logos in there are gonna get me?
Speaker:Copyright?
Speaker:Strip.
Speaker:Strip.
Speaker:There was a movie I saw recently with a candy shop.
Speaker:A a Nora, the candy shop.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There were, I didn't see any, uh.
Speaker:Logos and there's a lot of gumballs and you know, whatever they're hitting the
Speaker:popcorn machine and stuff like that.
Speaker:I think it's clear at this point that we are intoxicated and I think it
Speaker:will become more apparent with this very last segment of this episode.
Speaker:So I hope you enjoy it and, uh, yeah.
Speaker:Have you ever, as an adult.
Speaker:Shit.
Speaker:Your pants?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I shirt my pants like three years ago.
Speaker:Uh, so I, I go to this concert Shrine, shout out Shrine.
Speaker:It's a fucking shout out.
Speaker:Uh, cool.
Speaker:Garage rock, kind of, kind of punk band.
Speaker:Just, yeah, it's a rock band bathroom.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm actually in the bathroom taking a piss at the urinal.
Speaker:Okay, okay.
Speaker:And I try to fart, and it wasn't a fart.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:But you're in the bathroom at least.
Speaker:That's not that bad.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So in the bathroom, there's a urinal and a toilet, and I'm at the urinal and
Speaker:I try to fart and it's just, you know, fuck and lick with fluid, whi And I
Speaker:turn around and there's a guy walking into the bar, and I look at him with
Speaker:wide eyes and I just shake my head.
Speaker:I'm like, Nope.
Speaker:And he was like, oh.
Speaker:And he like backed away.
Speaker:He didn't even know what was going on.
Speaker:He just sat, he saw my eyes and he is like, I can't be like, you know?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And so I closed the door.
Speaker:I stripped.
Speaker:Butt ass naked.
Speaker:Uhhuh cleaned myself up, right?
Speaker:Threw my underwear behind the toilet.
Speaker:And then I went up after, uh, you know, back to the bar, got another
Speaker:drink and started dancing around again.
Speaker:What, uh, what establishment was this?
Speaker:Just as we can, uh, tag them in the, in the, this is, uh, podcast Summit.
Speaker:Summit Music Hall.
Speaker:Summit Music called, this is a summit call.
Speaker:If you do shoot your pants as a summit music call, then you can just close the
Speaker:bathroom door and take your pants off.
Speaker:You are allowed to do it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then you can refresh yourself and then just unlock the door, come
Speaker:out again and you'll feel better and you can continue to dance.
Speaker:And to the employees that worked at Summit Music call three years ago, thank you
Speaker:for throwing away to my shitty draws.
Speaker:I left some in Iceland, some.
Speaker:Shitty underwear.
Speaker:Shitty draw.
Speaker:You shot your pants in ice for sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I got like weird travelers.
Speaker:I got a weird traveler's flu and like traveler's diarrhea.
Speaker:I was like vomiting and shitting at the same time.
Speaker:It was bad.
Speaker:Oh, my dad caused it.
Speaker:The bazooka, it was terrible.
Speaker:Comes on both ends.
Speaker:But like I did have to take off a whole pair of underwear put and now I
Speaker:imagine that they're like in an, like a iceberg glacier somewhere, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Bjork had to find your diarrhea draws.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I hope so.
Speaker:That's the dream.
Speaker:That's what I would ideally like, or like Ciro or some, you know, some band,
Speaker:but I don't, I think it's just probably in like a glacier, like a frozen.
Speaker:Oh, it's kind of like wa it's kind of like the mosquito in Jurassic Park.
Speaker:Like frozen in time.
Speaker:In a, in a, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:In a block of ice.
Speaker:Which is really kind of beautiful in a way.
Speaker:Probably the most beautiful place to shit your parents.
Speaker:It was very pretty there.
Speaker:It's better than a rock venue.
Speaker:It was like puffins.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I love it.
Speaker:Shout out Bjork.
Speaker:Shout out diarrhea.
Speaker:Shout out Bjork.
Speaker:Shout out Bjork.
Speaker:Everybody clap your pants.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Everyone clapping.
Speaker:B bang.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:That's Bjork.
Speaker:Bjork just walked into the room.
Speaker:Actually.
Speaker:Bling bang.
Speaker:Hello.
Speaker:Everyone gotta go though.
Speaker:Blinging bang.
Speaker:Crappy bing bang.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Bjork.
Speaker:You can step out now.
Speaker:She's great, isn't she?
Speaker:She flew in just for this actually.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:She's so friendly.
Speaker:That was so nice of her.
Speaker:Uh, special guest on the podcast.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:We had Bjork everybody.
Speaker:Bjork everybody.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And that wraps it up.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:All right, man.
Speaker:Yeah, this was good.
Speaker:Thanks for doing this, Jack.
Speaker:Thanks for having me, brother.
Speaker:Yeah, dude.
Speaker:Love you, brother.
Speaker:I love you too.
Speaker:This was very good.
Speaker:I'm gonna stop this now.
Speaker:And that was my rambling and somewhat intoxicated conversation with Jack
Speaker:Hopkins with a special appearance at the end there by Icelandic Singer Bjork.
Speaker:Thank you again, Jack, for agreeing to be recorded before I
Speaker:even had a podcast to speak of.
Speaker:And thank you, Bjork, for joining us at the last minute.
Speaker:You can follow Jack on Instagram @JackHoppy4
Speaker:That's at Jack H-O-P-P-Y, the number four on YouTube @JackHoppy.
Speaker:And also you can listen to his music on your favorite streaming service by
Speaker:searching for, you guessed it, Jack Hoppy, and I recommend you do all these things.
Speaker:They'll also all be in the show notes in case you didn't have a pen handy.
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Speaker:I think I keep changing the jingle every time, but that's okay.
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Speaker:I'm going to end this episode with a Charles Bukowski poem.
Speaker:If you're going to try, go all the way.
Speaker:Otherwise don't even start.
Speaker:This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, and maybe even your mind.
Speaker:It could mean not eating for three or four days.
Speaker:It could mean freezing on a park bench.
Speaker:It could mean jail.
Speaker:It could mean derision.
Speaker:It could mean mockery.
Speaker:Isolation.
Speaker:Isolation is a gift.
Speaker:All the others are a test of your endurance of how much you really want to
Speaker:do it, and you'll do it despite rejection and the worst odds, and it'll be better
Speaker:than anything else you can imagine.
Speaker:If you're going to try, go all the way, there is no other feeling like that.
Speaker:You'll be alone with the gods and the knights will flame with fire.
Speaker:You will ride life straight to perfect laughter.
Speaker:It's the only good fight there is.
Speaker:I'll see you next week.
Speaker:Very good, Jeffrey.
